Sunday, February 12, 2017

Vatican Investigating the Fake Edition of the 'Osservatore Romano'

Fake edition of the Vatican newspaper contained a alleged replies from Pope Francis to the writing of the four cardinals' dubia to "Amoris laetitia" and had been sent by anonymous mail to cardinals, bishops and clergymen.

Vatican City (kath.net/KAP)  After the spread of a fake, papal-critical edition of the Vatican newspaper "Osservatore Romano", the Vatican police has launched an investigation, as Italian media reported on Saturday. On Friday the daily Il Messaggero reported on the fake issue, which had been sent in the past days by anonymous e-mails to cardinals, bishops, other clergy and "honorable men".

On the masthead of the fake "Osservatore": is an article in which Pope Francis replies to the questions of four cardinals to his letter "Amoris laetitita" - not with a "yes" or "no" as requested but with the answer "Yes and no". The Cardinals had publicly expressed their doubts about "Amoris laetitia" in November and demanded more clarity in dealing with remarried divorced people.

The director of the real "Osservatore," Giovanni Maria Vian, described the Fake edition as a badly made "slander" by "bunglers". The graphic of the original Vatican is much more elegant, and the genuine "Osservatore" uses the "Latin of the Curia," instead of the philosophical-medieval language of counterfeiting. Vian suspects a "circle of lay people outside the Vatican" as the originators of the Fake newspaper.

The Vatican and the Italian police are also investigating another case of unusual, public criticism of the pope: a week ago, unknown individuals had hung up more than 200 papal-critical posters in several Roman districts. On them was the pope's dark facial expression. Under the photograph in Roman dialect it read: "Francis, you have placed Congregations under the direction of a Commissioner, dismissed priests, decapitated the Order of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and Malta, ignored cardinals, but where is your mercy?"

The text of the posters was clearly indicative of ecclesiastical events that had led to criticism of the pope in conservative circles; Such as the resignation of the Maltese Grand Master, Matthew Festing, at the urging of Francis and the doubts of the Cardinals on "Amoris laetitia", which were also the subject of the falsification of the "Osservatore."

According to the Italian media, Italian media suspect political rights and conservative Catholic circles who reject Francis' course of reform. Concrete references to the perpetrators are not yet known. 

Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
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24 comments:

  1. Slander by bunglers? Can't be any worse than the slander and fake news and allegations coming from the 'real' paper!!!

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  2. What I don't understand is this, why is it illegal to put up posters in Italy? What Italian law makes it a crime to put papers up in public places?

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    1. Italian here. Putting up posters in Italy can be illegal. If I were to put up a poster in Italy I would request an authorization.

      I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, and if you want to put up posters in Italy ignore what I said and consult a lawyer.

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  3. I have a question to the owner of this blog, what is the origin of the Dubia procedure inside the Catholic Church, when in history the Dubia has been used, is this something new?, why there is no reference of the dubia origin on the internet, not even a single reference in Archive.org scanned books. and that is very scary....

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    1. Funny, I don't recall if it was this blog that included the canon law citations along with previous dubia, but several blogs, over these past 4 months, have cited the few dubia that were posed over the past couple of centuries. I even saw a "liberal" site that had heartburn with the interrogatory format of these dubia, but acknowledged the historicity.
      Bizarrely, you are implying that Burke does not know canon law.

      You are either lying about there being no internet reference, or you didn't look very hard.

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    2. Apparently the Dubia? was created by the Council Vatican 2, or after, but who created the Dubia procedure?, if the Dubia was secretly created by the Vatican 2, then is a tool for evil and is not legal...

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    3. You didn't exist before Vatican II. Maybe you should be gotten rid of?

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    4. Honestly? Look, dubia are just requests for clarification. In an institution as large and as old as the Catholic Church, questions naturally arise as to how a teaching should be applied, or how they should be interpreted in light of new circumstances. There's nothing sinister whatsoever about them.

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    5. Dubia have been done for centuries.

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  4. I have a question to the owner of this blog, what is the origin of the Dubia procedure inside the Catholic Church, when in history the Dubia has been used, is this something new?, why there is no reference of the dubia origin on the internet, not even a single reference in Archive.org scanned books. and that is very scary....

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    1. Dubia are a completely routine thing in the Catholic Church, to obtain answers from the relevant authorities on unclear or contested issues. The most famous Dubium of recent decades was probably the one submitted to then-Prefect of the CDF Cardinal Ratzinger inquiring as to the binding nature of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which declared that the Church had no authority to ordain women (answer: yes, it is binding), but there have been many others over the centuries.

      A few other Dubia are listed in this article in the Catholic Herald.

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    2. Apparently the Dubia procedure was secretly created by someone during Council Vatican 2, if that is true then the Dubia is illegal and can not be used. the Dubia is not a traditional procedure, but secretly created by Vatican 2?...with evil intentions, and illegal...

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    3. What's not routine is the failure to answer the dubia and a witch hunt against the Cardinals bringing the dubia.

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    4. The latin word "dubia" means "doubts".
      The 4 cardinals when confronted with the highly confusing Amoris Laetitia, expressed their doubts regarding 5 controversial issues of high doctrinal importance.
      Instead of "doubts", the cardinals would have chosen the word "questions" as well.
      Asking clarifications about a Pope's or Magisterium's statement is as old as the Church. It is a normal procedure when something in a magisterial text needs a clarification to ask the Vatican accordingly. Customarily the Magisterium quickly hurries to gives an accurate reply to lift the doubts.
      It is unheard that a question was ever left unanswered.

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    5. The latin word "dubia" means "doubts".
      The 4 cardinals when confronted with the highly confusing Amoris Laetitia, expressed their doubts regarding 5 controversial issues of high doctrinal importance.
      Instead of "doubts", the cardinals would have chosen the word "questions" as well.
      Asking clarifications about a Pope's or Magisterium's statement is as old as the Church. It is a normal procedure when something in a magisterial text needs a clarification to ask the Vatican accordingly. Customarily the Magisterium quickly hurries to gives an accurate reply to lift the doubts.
      It is unheard that a question was ever left unanswered.

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  5. Sounds to me like a new edition should come out. Just to tell them to stickmtheir investigation up their nose.

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  6. Hey Vatican officials, you're right to be concerned about a "circle outside the vatican". That circle is growing larger and larger.

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  7. Sounds like the USSR

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  8. Where is detective Colombo when you need him?

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    1. What about Barnaby Jones or Canon?!?!
      You're a prime example of spoiled,western,colonial barbarian hordes with no sensitivity towards others preferences or tastes.
      Like,cultural appropriation Yo!(spoken in a white college girl tone while using Ebonics)

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  9. Hmmm, the junta doesn't seem to be displaying much of a sense of humor, does it?

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  10. Officials in the Church submitted a Dubia to St. John Paul ll asking him to clarify whether the priesthood is open to woman in the Church or not. The Pope answered with the historical infallible Document Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. The then Cardinal Ratzinger asked the Holy Father whether or not the Document was an infallible statement. St. John Paul ll said it was an infallible statement. It contains the words used for infallible statements that goes something like this, To confirm the Brethren in the faith, I hereby declare that woman cannot be ordained to the Priesthood. It states this is not Church law but Divine law that cannot be changed. As for the investigation of who put up the Posters or who sent out the fake news, it should NOT be investigated as Officials have assured the world that Bergoglio is calm about it and is not losing any sleep over it. Rome should just get over it, and stop being so rigid because according to Bergoglio rigidness comes from the devil.

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    1. ...And because of the Pope's unfathomable mercy.

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  11. I wonder what crime they could be accused of apart from some obscure regulation about flyposting? I would have thought the police in and outside the Vatican have better things to do. They would be laughed out of court if they did try to prosecute.

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