Wednesday, April 5, 2017

Press Conference by the Special Envoy Archbishop Hoser in Medjugorje: "On the Question of Truth I Can Not Say"



The Pontifical Special Envoy Archbishop Henryk Hoser at the press conference in Medjugorje.

(Medjugorje) The Pontifical Special Envoy for Medjugorje, Archbishop Henryk Hoser, Bishop of Warsaw-Praga, gave a press conference this afternoon in Medjugorje. Hoser indirectly confirmed a link between the Motu Proprio Sanctuarium in Ecclesia, published on April 1 by Pope Francis, who provided for the internationalization of prayer places by the transfer of jurisdiction to the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization. Archbishop Hoser said that "Medjugorje is already part of the new evangelization."
The Polish Archbishop was appointed Special Envoy for Medjugorje by Pope Francis. A direct connection with the aforementioned motu proprio is seen because it was signed by the Pope on the same day, although it was only published last Saturday. Archbishop Hoser has been in Medjugorje since last week and will probably stay there for a longer period. Before the end of the summer, according to his mission, he has to submit "pastoral solutions" to the Pope for Medjugorje.
The press conference, in which Hoser spoke French, "the language of diplomacy", was broadcast by MaryTV.
The archbishop found very well-meaning words for the place. "There is a special, spiritual climate here."
"I think that Medjugorje is already part of the new evangelization. The numbers speak for themselves. The dynamism of the increase of pilgrims shows that the needs are also growing."
Numbers were cited: 610 appeals in countries such as the USA, Italy, Germany, which were aroused in Medjugorje, and 2.5 million pilgrims visiting the Herzegovinian town every year.
"There are other important things, such as the retreat Domus Pacis. In recent years it has been used by more than 1000 groups with over 42,000 participants. These spiritual retreats transform men inwardly," the Archbishop said.
All this "shows the intensity of Christian life in Medjugorje, which can be compared with other places."

The "Apparitions"

Archbishop Hoser was asked whether he considered the alleged Marian publications in Medjugorje to be real or not. The Special Envoy, however, stayed with an opinion. He was not entitled to comment on it.
"It is not my task to discuss whether these phenomena are true or not, because the Church has not yet defined them. This is the work of the Commission of Cardinal Ruini."
This is the international investigation commission set up by Pope Francis in 2010 under the direction of Camillo Cardinal Ruini. This commission listened to all the "seers" with the task of commenting on the issue of authenticity, whether the Mother of God has appeared in Medjugorje since 1981 or not. The Commission ended its work by the end of 2012. With the resignation of Benedict XVI. and the election of Pope Francis, it is at a standstill. In 2014, Cardinal Ruini gave Francis the final report to the Commission and presented its conclusions.
Hoser also expressed the hope that "the ultimate decision of the Commission and of Pope Francis" would soon take place.
"Unfortunately, I can not speak about the material of this Commission, since it has not yet been published. I could speak with Cardinal Ruini, but I can not say anything about it."
The term "apparitions," which Hoser used at the press conference, he uses,"because they are so-described here." But it is not a matter of their inherent value, according to the Archbishop.
The archbishop confirmed that he had "met with the 'seers'" as part of my commission, "but" not to the matter itself, "because that is the task of the Commission of the Doctrine of the Faith by Cardinal Ruini."
According to the "seers", according to Hoser, "the phenomena still persist, which presents difficulties to making a final judgment."
The Archbishop still emphasized the need for clarification. He had climbed the Podbrdo, the so-called "Mount of the Marian Apparitions." He had met a group of Polish pilgrims at the Marian statue established there and talked with them about the piety of the Virgin Mary. "It is not true that I had led the pilgrims there, as some media have claimed."
Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Photo: MaryTV (Screenshot)
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
Link to Katholisches...
AMDG

31 comments:

  1. According to the website Spirit Daily :' Papal envoy discusses amazing fruits from Medjugorje.
    *Cites 610 vocations -- in one year!

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    1. What is the quality of these vocations? Is one of these priests sometime in the future going to explain to young people that he owes his vocation to a fake vision?
      The claim for 2.5 million visitors a year is simply incredible. We are talking about a small remote village with limited hotel space, no railway, one country road in and out and a long drive to the nearest airport. 2.5 million visitors would require 100+ fully loaded coaches every day of the year.

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  2. Medjugorje Schmedjugorje!

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    1. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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  3. "This is the international investigation commission set up by Pope Francis in 2010 under the direction of Camillo Cardinal Ruini."

    There's a mistake here somewhere since Pope Francis was not pope until 2013.

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  4. God is renewing the Church by means of cults and false apparitions, because that's all He has left to work with!
    Well, no.

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  5. If it is true that the woman in the apparitions at Medjugorje said my son loves all religions equally and thus denied The One True God, The Most Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity, then we can know through both Faith and reason that Our Lady did not appear at Medjugorje.

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    1. I think she could have also said that she loves all people and all people are like her children.
      Even the Bible tells us that God has no favourites. Jesus died for all.Salvation is available in potential for all.
      -Lionel

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  6. How can Medjugorje be a part of the New Evangelization? Many want to create the New Evangelization with the errors of Modernism. Traditional Catholicism is the true New Evangelization for the Church.

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    1. Traditional Catholicism is not really traditional any more.They have the same new ecclesiology as Mass in other Rites. The New Theology is common even for the SSPX.They assume invisible baptism of desire for example is visible and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. Then they infer that these visible cases are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is an innovation, heresy and magisterial.It is only with this doctrinal error, repeated also in Vatican Council II, is the Traditional Mass allowed to be offered by Pope Francis.

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    2. April 5, 2017
      At the Byzantine Greek Mass, the Latin and Syro Malabar Rite and the Novus Ordo Mass they all assume invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church

      http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/at-byzantine-greek-mass-latin-and-syro.html

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  7. Our Lady did not say all religions are equal, but that all the main religions are acceptable to God. There is a big difference between the two. Please, please stop attacking those who go on pilgrimage to Medjugiorje. The Vatican is overseeing everythin

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    1. A lot of people on this site believe that any alleged apparition by Our Lady after Vatican II must be a deception and trick by Satan. Sounds like the people at Fatima who wouldn't believe what was happening until the Miracle of the Sun.

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    2. islam is certainly one of the world's 'main' religions (set to overtake Christianity in numbers very soon), and there is NO WAY, in Heaven or hell, that that 'religion' is acceptable to God. It denies God as He has revealed Himself, and commands the torture and death of Christians, Jews, and pretty much everybody else but sharia believing/practicing muslims. If the woman of Medjugorje said that is 'acceptable to God', then she is NOT the Blessed Mother, any more than the violent 'angel' that mohamhead supposedly saw was the Archangel Gabriel. period. Get your head out.

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    3. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

      Our Lady would never state that and thus deny The True God, The Most Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity.

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    4. Exactly right, N. D.

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    5. Mary Clarke,
      I went to Medugorje twice.When I met Fr.Slavko Barbaric ofm, the Spiritual Director of the seers, I asked him if Our Lady said all religions are equal .He denied it.
      I asked him if Our Lady said that holiest woman in Medugorje was a Muslim. He denied it.

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  8. Susan is 100% about this statement from someone else:

    "Our Lady did not say all religions are equal, but that all the main religions are acceptable to God. There is a big difference between the two. Please, please stop attacking those who go on pilgrimage to Medjugiorje. The Vatican is overseeing everything"

    God would certainly not say that all the main religions are acceptable for him, because at least two of them...Hinduism and Buddhism....are against the Commandments which state "I am the Lord Thy God, and Thou Shalt Have no god before Me.."etc. That leaves pagan Hinduism and Buddhism out. The Blessed Virgn would never say that God condones them (as main religions), because God would be contradicting himself.
    The modern, Vatican II Catholic idea that all the pagan dieties are just expressions of the One God, is (excuse me), B.S. It is a rationalization, an attempt to make all the pagan dieties acceptable.
    And certainly God would not find Protestantism acceptable, because it denies both the Real Presence of God's Son in the Most Blessed Sacrament, but most do not maintain any tradition, nor honor the Mother of God, etc. And of course, Islam is a religion of hate and killing, so that would not be acceptable to God.
    The only religions in the world today that I would think would be acceptable to God are TWO. One is traditional Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodox Christianity, and the other is Judaism. I believe that God at least accepts the Jewish Faith, because He himself founded it with Abraham, and chose to have His Son born into this group of Chosen People.
    And of course, for obvious reasons, God loves the Catholic Church, founded by His own Son. (The Catholic Church....not the Vatican II Church of Pope Francis).
    There's two reasons why I bet Pope Francis rules in favor of this fake apparition center:
    1) It, and statements made by these so called "Seers" passing messages supposedly from the Mother of God....conforms 100% to the Vatican II fake Catholicism....which is why I think the messages are fake.
    2) The tons of money to be made as sites like this.

    It's interesting how Benedict XVI, who even though a liberal in his heart, began this commission of investigation and it was leaning towards declaring Medjugorie fake because the statements and other things did not conform to Catholic orthodoxy and tradtion.
    I bet Francis rules in favor of Meddugorjie because does not conform or like Catholic orthodoxy and tradition, and neither does he .
    Damian Malliapalli

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    1. Hi,

      I guess it is the 3 hours of daily prayer that has some of you bothered or that you should have monthly confession, read the Bible, over 1000 Priests who claim they got their calling while there. The conversions and the awakening of so many lapsed Catholics. The biggest problem there is that only fallen Humans go there and only fallen Humans complain. A Priest went there a long time ago and held up a picture of a young boy who was to sick to come at one of the "fake" apparitions and was healed at that moment back in the UK. That boy concelebrated Mass with that Priest last year. How I wish there were more places like Medjugorje. We'll know soon enough when the events unfold or not. Pray and fast more. The Eucharistic Adoration is beautiful.
      This is a video I made on the topic; Virgin Mary in Medugorje a short Defense Prophecy Miracles and Pray Pray Pray. Also I have talks and an Adoration service on my youtube channel.

      Peace be with you, Tim

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    2. Tim, where there is great faith; where the Sacraments are received; where the Mass is prayed with deep devotion, there will no doubt be good fruits. But the FACT remains that our Blessed Lady simply could not say MANY of the things she is reported to have said in these 'apparitions', only one of which is commented on above. How do you square the words above that she supposedly said? The 'lady' that said it can NOT be the Blessed Mother.

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    3. Our Lady did not say that the followers of the main religions are equal to her.

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    4. Tim,
      I know how intense the three hours of Catholic prayers are there.At Medugorje they pray!When I got home I was disappointed. I could feel the lack of prayer and the disinterest in my parish. How I wanted to go back to Medugorje.
      I was lucky . I could go back there the next year again.I have spent some three months in Medugorje on two pilgrimages.I also spent a month at the Domus Pacis Fasting Retreats with Fr.Slavko present.I believe Our Lady is appearing at Medugorhje,the location, in a special way.-Lionel Andrades

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    5. Lionel....
      Oct. 1, 1981: "All religions are equal before God," says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)
      ...get your head out.

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    6. Susan.
      This is what the media says.
      The media said Our Lady at Medugorje said all religions are equal.
      When I asked Fr. Slavko Barbaric he denied it. He said that he did not know from where all these stories come.
      I asked him if Our Lady said a Muslim in Medugorje was the holiest woman there. He denied. it.

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    7. Lionel, the 'VISIONARY' said that the lady said it. You can't have it both ways. the priest knows this is problematic dogmatically, so he denies it; however, he can't change history, and the 'visionary' claimed it. So who's right?

      a few others....

      The Virgin: "I do not dispose of all graces...Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary." (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)

      "In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions." (Faricy, p.51)

      "God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers" ("The Apparitions at Medjugorje," by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)

      "Each one's religion must be respected, and you must preserve yours for yourselves and for your children." (Kraljevic, p.68)

      "The Virgin added: 'It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children." (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)

      from multiple sources, including priests.
      again....get your head out of the damp dark place and come into the light.

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    8. susan, Thanks for those quotes, they prove that the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje are a total hoax. Our Lady would never ever proclaim heresy as truth. I don't understand why the Church has not yet officially condemned these alleged apparitions as "not worthy of credence".

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  9. Med fans seem to be a testy group, generally speaking.
    I know people who went, people who believe it is valid, but from what I have read, it seems phony. Either way, we are not compelled to believe in it, anymore than Fatima or any other apparition event. There is a lot to support it is a manipulation by greedy people. One of the most compelling reasons is the video of one of the supposed seers flinching when someone put their hand near her eyes when she was supposedly seeing Our Lady. She then went out of her way to concoct a silly story about "Our Lady seemed about to drop the Baby Jesus". Come ON.
    Anyone truly in the presence of Our Lady has reportedly been in a state beyond human interference. St. Bernadette was poked and stuck with needles. No reaction. I'm sure there are lots of positive things and feelings of peace and so on, but those things can be of the devil as well. Reportedly he's a pretty good faker.
    Just sayin.

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  10. http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/index.php/2010/03/the-deviations-of-medjugorje/

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    1. Papal envoy praises ‘special spiritual climate’ at Medjugorje
      http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/papal-envoy-praises-special-spiritual.html

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    2. bergoglio's papal envoy.....nuff said.

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  11. Scripture says that the devil can appear as an Angel of God. The Church teaches that the devil will mix good and bad in order to deceive. We hear about good things in Medjugorje but the bad is also there. My wife and I have a friend devoted to these apparitions. She went on pilgrimage there and came back confused. She knows her Catholic faith. She said she saw many good things such as Perpetual Adoration, long lines for Confession and much prayer. But she found it hard to believe that when one stays as guests at one of the seers home, each group is treated to their own apparition. As if Our Lady appears at every beckoning of the seers command. She said much of what Our Lady allegedly says is against the teachings of the Church. That confused her. The place is a huge money maker, disobedience to Church Authority is its hallmark. One of the seers who was very poor before the apparitions now owns a mansion and 2 BMW'S and is now very wealthy. The alleged apparitions do not meet the Church's criteria for being declared authentic. Do the seers profit financially from the visions? Yes! Are the seers obedient to the Church? No! What of those who are their spiritual directors? They are all defiant of Lawful Church Authority. Deceit? Yes! One family from Italy bought a statue of Our Lady and took it home. Lo and behold the statue begins to cry human tears, the Local Ordinary claimed to be an eyewitness. The Church upon investigation found it to be a hoax and the Bishop was suspended. A priest who was one of the directors of the visionaries was sent to a Monastery by the Church with the threat of excommunication if he ever spoke again on the apparitions at Medjugorje. He left the priesthood and got married. Another Priest director impregnated a woman who worked there. One must look at the pros and cons, those who do, end up with a firm, "False Apparitions".

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